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                        Mt. Holz Science Fiction Society
                    Club Notice - 04/13/01 -- Vol. 19, No. 41

       Chair/Librarian: Mark Leeper, 732-817-5619, mleeper@avaya.com
       Factotum: Evelyn Leeper, 732-332-6218, eleeper@lucent.com
       Distinguished Heinlein Apologist: Rob Mitchell, robmitchell@avaya.com
       HO Chair Emeritus: John Jetzt, jetzt@avaya.com
       HO Librarian Emeritus: Nick Sauer, njs@lucent.com
       Back issues at http://www.geocities.com/evelynleeper
       All material copyright by author unless otherwise noted.

       The Science Fiction Association of Bergen County meets on the
       second Saturday of every month in Upper Saddle River; call
       201-447-3652 for details.  The Denver Area Science Fiction
       Association meets 7:30 PM on the third Saturday of every month at
       Southwest State Bank, 1380 S. Federal Blvd.

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       1. The final paragraph of last week's  editorial  was  accidentally
       truncated.  It should have read:
            I think that this is a lesson we would  do  well  to
            remember   when  dealing  with  people  with  strong
            religious motives.

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       2. Our trip logs for our recent trip to Vietnam and  Singapore  are
       available at:
                 http://www.geocities.com/markleeper/vietnam.htm
                 http://www.geocities.com/evelynleeper/vietnam.htm

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       3. I talked a little about the American view of the Vietnam War two
       weeks  ago.  That was written before my trip to that country.  This
       week I want to talk a little about the impact on  Vietnam  of  that
       war.  It is not a continuation of that previous article, but as you
       can imagine Vietnam has been on my mind a great deal of late.   The
       common belief is that the Vietnamese people have put the war behind
       them and are getting on with trying to become wealthy by overtaking
       Thailand   as  the  largest  rice  exporter  in  the  world.   That
       surpassing may even happen this year.  So they are getting back  to
       business,  but  I  think  in some ways we have done a better job of
       putting the war behind us than the Vietnamese have.

       First of all, American-Vietnamese relations are  over-shadowned  by
       this  problem  I call the "Grand Fenwick problem."  Some of you may
       have read the book THE MOUSE THAT ROARED  by  Leonard  Wibberly  or
       seen  the  film  made  from  the  book.  Grand Fenwick was a little
       independent European  Duchy  that  fell  on  bad  financial  times.
       Seeing the financial aid the US gave its defeated former enemies of
       Germany and Japan, they decided they wanted to  become  a  defeated
       former  enemy of the United States.  For this to happen they had to
       lose a war with the United States.  They decided to  have  a  small
       war   which  they  would  certainly  lose.   They  put  a  complete
       incompetent  in  charge  of  their  army  of  archers.   But  under
       conditions  rather  contrived  by Wibberly and less than convincing
       circumstances the incompetent accidentally defeated the US.   I  am
       not saying that Vietnam accidentally defeated the US, but there are
       parallels in their resulting dilemma.  It is easy to get aid from a
       country  who  has  defeated  you.   It  is  very  difficult  to get
       financial support from a military giant if you have defeated  them.
       Somehow the sympathy factor is missing and Vietnam certainly cannot
       force us to give them aid.

       America is quite central to the  Vietnamese  economy.   They  would
       like  reasonably  friendly  conditions  with  low  tariffs in their
       relations with the US.  This implies a friendship about which  both
       sides  feel  rather tentative.  Frankly I have done a lot of travel
       and I have never been to a country where the American dollar is  so
       easily  interchangeable  with  the  local  currency.  I remember in
       India only one local business quoted its process  in  dollars.   In
       Vietnam  anybody  who  had anything to do with tourists seems to be
       ready, willing, and happy to accept payment in US dollars.  It even
       seemed to be the preferred currency.  The American brands are often
       preferred also.  You saw a lot of  primitive  shop  houses  selling
       American  brands  to  the  locals.   Unlike  the US, just about any
       restaurant there gives you your choice of Coke or Pepsi.  I do  not
       remember  seeing  food franchises like McDonalds as yet, but it can
       not be long in coming.  Yet the past is  really  not  forgotten  at
       least by the government and their museums and public buildings seem
       to dwell very much on the war.

       In Ho Chi Minh City (which the locals tend to call by the  nickname
       "Saigon")  the  War  Remnants  Museum  is  the recently renamed War
       Crimes Museum.  It has graphic  displays  of  citizens  with  their
       faces burned away and actual deformed babies in jars the results of
       napalm and chemicals used in warfare.  It is  a  mostly  convincing
       display,  though  it  is  easy  to  find  errors  in  the  exhibits
       indicating some  may  be  contrived.   For  example  they  have  an
       extensive quote from January 19, 1970, LIFE magazine about the sort
       of fighting we did.  One problem: a quick calculation told me  that
       issue  of  LIFE  magazine  never existed.  LIFE magazine I remember
       always came out and was dated on Friday.   In  any  case  that  was
       certainly  true  in 1970.  The idea was it was a magazine to linger
       over on the weekend.  January 19, 1970 was a Monday.  I have  since
       found  an  ad  for  a used January 23, 1970, issue of LIFE magazine
       confirming that 1970 issues were dated on Fridays.  The  quote  may
       or may not have come from a LIFE magazine, but it certainly was not
       where they claimed it was.  Their fact checking is very poor  if  a
       visitor can so easily find problems with their claims.

       Now the Vietnamese are trying to change the tone  of  this  museum.
       The final and biggest room documents the American experience in the
       war.  The museum is now making the statement that both  sides  were
       noble  and  both  suffered  a  great deal in the war.  As you would
       expect there are some people there who still want to  remember  the
       Americans  as  arch-villains whom Vietnam destroyed, and others who
       want to think of them as trading partners. They  are  two  opinions
       that do not rest easily side-by-side. [-mrl]

                                          Mark Leeper
                                          HO 1K-644 732-817-5619
                                          mleeper@avaya.com

           Experience is a wonderful thing.  It allows you to 	   recognize a mistake when you make it again.
                                          -- Sandy Berger


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