THE MT VOID Mt. Holz Science Fiction Society 11/04/05 -- Vol. 24, No. 19, Whole Number 1307 El Presidente: Mark Leeper, mleeper@optonline.net The Power Behind El Pres: Evelyn Leeper, eleeper@optonline.net Back issues at http://www.geocities.com/evelynleeper All material copyright by author unless otherwise noted. All comments sent will be assumed authorized for inclusion unless otherwise noted. To subscribe, send mail to mtvoid-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe, send mail to mtvoid-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Topics: Your Horoscope (comments by Mark R. Leeper) Targeted Ads (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper) Everything You Will Ever Need To Know About Zorro (comments by Mark R. Leeper) Horoscopes (comment by dsr) Foreigners Redux (letter of comment by David Shallcross) Intelligent Design (letter of comment by Paul S. R. Chisholm) Intelligent Design (letter of comment) THE BOOKSELLER OF KABUL (letter of comment by Per Chr. Jorgensen) Too Smart by Half (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper) ALIEN PLANET (television review by Mark R. Leeper) KISS KISS BANG BANG (film review by Mark R. Leeper) This Week's Reading (correction, MATH CURSE, IT'S ALL GREEK TO ME, SAM SAMURAI, and THE PERFECT MURDER) (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper) =================================================================== TOPIC: Your Horoscope (comments by Mark R. Leeper) (Due to economy concerns we cannot provide complete horoscopes. Your cooperation is appreciated.) Everyone: I am reliably informed that some of you have not gone back to your original birth signs. Not many, but there are some. Enough. The stars are very angry with you and me and all of us. It is always just a few of us who have to spoil it for the rest of us. The stars will continue to talk to us, but from this point on they are just going to tell us lies. Don't believe anything you read in a horoscope, the stars will be just trying to trick us. It is a pity just a few of us had to bring this on all of us. [-mrl] =================================================================== TOPIC: Targeted Ads (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper) Yahoo! attempts to match ads to the various groups they have. The ads I recently saw on the home page for this group included: "Air Pillow for Void fill and Packaging - Inflatable air pillows by LPack Packaging Systems provides the void fill or impact protection you need in packaging. No obligation trial and give you the option to lease or own. www.airpillow.net" "Filling Voids under Concrete Surfaces - Learn how to fill voids under concrete to raise or stabilize the surface. Find a local contractor that can perform the work. www.saberleveling.com" "Void Fill - Compare & Save At Nextag - Find low prices on name brand home and garden products from online stores. www.nextag.com" I don't think they quite understand the group. :-) [-ecl] =================================================================== TOPIC: Everything You Will Ever Need To Know About Zorro (comments by Mark R. Leeper) One of our friends mentioned that she was reading Isabel Allende's novel ZORRO. The book is supposedly a biography of Zorro and it implies that Zorro was a real historical figure. Our friend believed that Zorro was every bit as real as characters like Jack the Ripper. I am sure that Allende was using the claim as a literary device, much as C. Northcote Parkinson (famous for humorous writings on business, especially about Parkinson's law) wrote a serious biography of the fictional British naval hero Horatio Hornblower. It is interesting that the stories of Zorro are so prevalent in our culture that some people accept them as being based on truth. Zorro has actually been around for a long time and he is, I believe, the longest lasting masked hero. I suppose I cannot call him a masked "superhero" but he is in the same class as the Lone Ranger (born 1933) and Batman (born 1939), a larger-than-life masked hero who is a mere mortal. El Zorro was born in the pulp magazine "All-Story Weekly" in 1919. He very probably was intended to be a sort of American version of the Scarlet Pimpernel (who first appeared in 1905). Like the Pimpernel, Zorro appears to be a high-society fop, but in reality he is a daring swordsman and champion of the oppressed. Zorro's first bow was in pulp writer Johnston McCulley's THE CURSE OF CAPISTRANO, a short novel intended to be all that was ever written about the hero. But then the character caught the eye of Hollywood's swashbuckling star Douglas Fairbanks. Fairbanks was looking for exciting athletic roles to play and this looked like a promising possibility. He adapted the story, co-writing the script under a penname, but in his version he revealed early in the script that the true identity of Zorro was Don Diego Vega. In the novel the identity of the masked man is not revealed until near the end of the story though I cannot imagine the revelation surprised any but the dullest readers. The Zorro character--an outlaw fighting for justice like Robin Hood--has a trademark. He carves a "Z" into objects, particularly clothing, with just the tip of his sword so he leaves his mark and at the same time proves he has perfect control over his sword. This adventure was the very first film released by the new United Artists, the company that Fairbanks founded together with Mary Pickford, Charlie Chaplin, and D. W. Griffith. In the written story the identity is not confirmed for the reader until it is revealed to everyone that the effete Don Diego Vega was really Zorro. The whole idea of a masked hero does not work if everybody in the fictional world of the story knows who it is behind the mask. When Zorro reveals himself to everybody that by rights ends the story right there. But when the film became popular--in fact Zorro is perhaps Fairbanks's best known role--the concept of doing a sequel reared its ugly head. Now supposedly all assembled know the identity of Zorro. He no longer needs the mask. If they remove the mask and the secret identity they no longer have an interesting character. What they have to do is say that Don Diego was just the first Zorro. The films added the concept that he passes the identity to a new Zorro after he outs himself. In 1925 came the sequel in which Fairbanks played a double role as the original Zorro and as the title character in DON Q, SON OF ZORRO. This film is surprisingly good, almost as good as the original, and sadly has been nearly forgotten. The masked character would show up again frequently in pulp magazines and in adventure films from the B-picture studio Republic. The name Zorro is Spanish for "fox" and in 1940 it was Fox Studios who decided to make an A-picture with the hero. The film was a remake of and variation on the original THE MARK OF ZORRO starring their current dashing lead Tyrone Power. The villain was Basil Rathbone, himself one of the finest swordsmen that the screen ever knew. There continued to be Zorro-related serials from the serial studio, Republic. Republic was never known for the quality of their feature films, but they went in in a big way for making serials for Saturday afternoon matinees and they became the kings of this niche. They made six serials that either featured the character or falsely implied that the hero was somehow associated with Zorro. For example there is little reference to the original character in ZORRO'S BLACK WHIP. Their last Zorro serial was 1949's THE GHOST OF ZORRO starring a venerable serial actor who just did not seem to have the good looks to be much more than a character actor. Clayton Moore, playing Don Diego's grandson, found he could play the lead and be dashing behind a mask. That year he played for the first time another masked hero, the Lone Ranger, he role he would be associated with for the rest of his life. Over the years there have been many Zorro films. And in 1957 Walt Disney produced a popular television series ZORRO with the character now played by Guy Williams, later of LOST IN SPACE. The series lasted for about two years. For a large part of the public--myself included--this was the first contact they had with the character. It inspired five more television series of which three of them were animated. Most of the American fans are unaware that while the character was popular here, he was also very popular all over the world. Actually, the vast majority of Zorro films were shot in foreign languages. These films often have a somewhat anti-American tone, turning the villains from the Spanish rulers of California to the later United States rulers. There are at least 37 foreign- language Zorro films, of which all but two come from the years between 1961 to 1975. Most of these are Italian, Spanish, or Mexican productions. In 1974 there was a made-for-television remake of THE MARK OF ZORRO, using a script almost identical to Tyrone Power's 1940 version, but with Frank Langella in the role. George Hamilton had made a successful film sending up Dracula and tried the same thing with Zorro in 1980 with ZORRO, THE GAY BLADE but the film was tepid. This brings us to the current series (if two films can be called a series) with Antonio Banderas inheriting the mantle of Zorro from Anthony Hopkins (in a bizarre piece of casting). THE MASK OF ZORRO (1998) was good fun. It had some logic flaws, but it is still remembered fondly. The new Zorro film, THE LEGEND OF ZORRO, was released this past weekend. I cannot yet report on whether it is any good, but initial reviews say it leaves a great deal to be desired. Even if it is a bad film I will want to see what they are doing with the Zorro character. He has become like an old friend. [-mrl] [Evelyn reviewed Allende's ZORRO in the 08/19/05 issue of the MT VOID.] =================================================================== TOPIC: Horoscopes (comment by dsr) "dsr" writes: As it is clear that economic considerations require a cutback in your budget for astrological natal horology, I have taken the liberty of sending in not just my sign, but my horoscope as well. Aries: Everything you wanted will happen. Today is a good day for thanking people for their contributions to your welfare. Consider other's needs before you do what's right. All other signs: donating your time, energy and money to an Aries will make him happy. Take joy in the happiness of others. [-dsr] =================================================================== TOPIC: Foreigners Redux (letter of comment by David Shallcross) David Shallcross writes: This is just a comment on George MacLachlan's LOC in #1306 [the 10/28/05 issue]. "Sassenach", deriving from "Saxon", refers more specifically to the English, rather than outsider in general. On the other hand, "Gall" is used for stranger more generally, I believe. There is an on-line Scottish Gaelic dictionary (based on a 1911 edition) at http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/MB2 that has an entry: Gall: a Lowlander, stranger, Irish Gall, a stranger, Englishman, Early Irish gall, foreigner; from Gallus, a Gaul, the Gauls being the first strangers to visit or be visited by the Irish in Pre- Roman and Roman times (Zimmer). for derivation See gal, valour. Stokes takes a different view; he gives as basis for gall, stranger, *gallo-s, Welsh gal, enemy, foe: *ghaslo-? root ghas, Latin hos-tis, English guest. Hence he derives Gallus, a Gaul, so named from some Celtic dialect. [-ds] =================================================================== TOPIC: Intelligent Design (letter of comment by Paul S. R. Chisholm) Paul S. R. Chisholm writes: To Gerald S. Williams's final comment [in the 10/28/05 issue of the MT VOID], "any time it mentions the possibility of an intelligent designer, qualify it as in the following example: 'This strongly suggests the presence of an intelligent designer, such as the Flying Spaghetti Monster'": Anyone with any interest in the Book of Genesis, in any way--as parable, as science textbook, even as literature--would not consider it an improvement to be re-write it as, "In the beginning the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the heavens and the earth." Rather than attack one side of the debate or defend the other, let me mention a third alternative. In the spring of 1973, my biology teacher (in a public high school in northern New Jersey) started one class with something very much like these words: "Now we're going to start talking about evolution. This is one explanation of where all the species of living beings came from. It's not the only one. Another one, one that I believe in [said my high school biology teacher], is the one in the Bible." I don't remember as vividly what he said next, but I think it was something to this effect: Evolution is considered, by most scientists, to be the best accepted explanation of how life on Earth came to be what it is. You're not going to be asked to "believe" it. You are, though, going to be expected to become familiar with it. It's said an effective compromise equally offends all extremists. I think this qualifies. Hope this helps. [-psrc] =================================================================== TOPIC: Intelligent Design (letter of comment) In response to Mark's comments on intelligent design in the 10/21/05 issue of the MT VOID, a long-time reader wrote: "Some day when extraterrestrial archeologists dig up our landfills they'll discover, among other things, the remains of lots of vacuum cleaners. Carbon dating the stomach contents of those odd plastic-and-metal-exoskeleton creatures will reveal how rapidly they evolved. Mark's commentary on "'intelligent design' in an earlier issue of MT VOID encourages me to send in a comment on a subject I'm not qualified to address: evolution. How do evolutionists explain human blood types? That is, how did it come about that some humans are 'universal donors' while others are 'universal acceptors?' How could evolution have foreseen that humans would be donating blood to each other? It seems the only way natural selection of blood types could have occurred is if our earliest ancestors were vampires." [Note: These comments arrived on October 31--probably not a coincidence.] Mark responds, "On your first comment I am not sure that the contents of vacuum cleaner stomachs have changed that much over time." "As for blood types presumably at one point types of blood were more interchangeable even if there was nobody interchanging them. Presumably through mutation some people became more finicky about blood type. You know, when I worked at Bell Labs we would share Microsoft Word documents across locations. We had problems with different people having different generations of Word. The person with the oldest version of Word could write documents that every other user could read. But they had problems reading documents from people who composed them on later generations of Word. They were 'universal donors' of documents. The person with the most recent Word could read everybody else's Word documents. They were 'universal acceptors' but their documents could not be read by everybody else. Independently Evelyn found the site http://www.lisashea.com/lisabase/biology/art14442.html which has much the same explanation, but with more detail." [-mrl] =================================================================== TOPIC: THE BOOKSELLER OF KABUL (letter of comment by Per Chr. Jorgensen) Regarding Evelyn's review of THE BOOKSELLER OF KABUL in the 10/28/05 issue of the MT VOID, Per Chr. Jorgensen of Norway writes: I haven't read the book by Asne Seierstad myself, but after publication there has been some media controversy, which I have to some extent followed (I believe that Salon and the Guardian has written something about this in the English-speaking world). Partly this has been a general debate about what a travel writer, visiting social anthropologist etc. may use of material gathered in such circumstances as having been invited into somebody's home, but there has also been complaints and even a threat of a lawsuit from the bookseller himself. He especially disliked the book being translated into English and now even into Farsi, one of the languages of Afghanistan. I haven't completely understood what that nature of his complaint is. From the first newspaper reports it seemed that he disliked that Ms. Seierstad had earned a lot of money from describing his family life. I've also gathered later that he has been reckoned as somewhat as a dangerous liberal in Afghanistan in being interested in selling books (note the plural), and does not want more exposure. Recently he went to Pakistan, claiming that he was under threat of a blood feud. There were no particulars, but I guess this could mean extended family or in-laws. Otherwise, thanks for a very interesting weekly fanzine indeed. [-pcj] [An article in English from the "Guardian" covering this can be found at http://tinyurl.com/829mw. -ecl] =================================================================== TOPIC: Too Smart by Half (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper) Sometimes attempts to be clever can backfire. Consider "Law in a Flash: Torts" ('95-'96 Edition). This is a set of flashcards designed to help students study law by using cute examples (sort of like the sentences in THE TRANSITIVE VAMPIRE were used to teach grammar). Card 88 says, "Jack T. Ripper jumps into H. G. Wells' time machine, mistakenly believing it's his. He takes it on a whirl through time, realizes his mistake, and returns it. Has Ripper committed a trespass to chattels?" The answer given is yes, and one of the explanatory statements is "loss of possession itself, regardless of the length of time involved, is sufficient to satisfy the damage requirement of a trespass to chattels claim." But if Ripper returns the time machine to the instant that he took it, then there *is* no length of time. In the normal course of events, of course, the question would be about a car or some such, but once the author has brought in the idea of a time machine, a whole new set of issues comes into play. [-ecl] =================================================================== TOPIC: ALIEN PLANET (television review by Mark R. Leeper) [I should point out at the very beginning where it won't get lost that Discovery Channel will air this Thursday, November 10 and it is of science fiction interest. -mrl] The Discovery Channel's special "Alien Planet" blurs the distinction between science and science fiction, but for good purpose. "Alien Planet", based on Wayne Barlowe's book EXPEDITON is a dramatization of a plausible visit by mechanical probe Van Braun to the earthlike planet Darwin IV. Darwin IV has life forms that may have evolved in the planet's earth-like environment. Two sub-probes descend to the surface of the planet and explore. The probes are given the names Leo for Leonardo Da Vinci and Ike for Isaac Asimov. As the story proceeds it several scientists comment on what is happening in the story. The scientists include string theorist and science popularizer Michio Kaku, paleontologist Jack Horner, and Stephen Hawking. Supplementing the scientists are science fiction film maker George Lucas and artist Wayne Barlowe, whose specialty is scientifically and artistically representing alien life forms. The probe Leo floats like a dirigible and has a birdlike head on the end of a long neck, much like an ostrich. Leo crawls on the surface. Darwin IV is in what the scientists call the Goldilocks Zone. It is so called because small environmental changes manifest themselves in giant changes in the life that could develop on these planets. Things have got to be "just right." The program considers only very earthlike planets. "Alien Planet" seems to presuppose that life will be what "Star Trek" would call "life as we know it." It may in fact be true that we will consider life will have to be very earth-like to be recognizable as life. There might well be some sort of plasma-based intelligent lifeform living at the center of the sun. Could we recognize it if there was? Would we have anything to say to such a different lifeform? The program shows very strongly that it is a product of Wayne Barlowe and is illustrated with a menagerie of different sorts of alien beasties. Fourteen different creatures are described with varying degrees of scale up to huge by earthly standards. At each step in the process we have inserts with the scientists commenting on the animals and how they function. One assumes that Barlowe updated the animals in his 1990 book with feedback from the scientists and they are all reasonably credible, but that does not prevent it from being amusing. It is all a lot of fun and is even more so because it is presented absolutely deadpan. We see some creatures that look like futuristic life forms and a thing that looks like a mesa that walks on elephantine legs. The CGI effects are not as photo-realistic as those are in programs like "Walking with Dinosaurs," but we get the point of what we are seeing. The program has been run before, but will be repeated on Thursday, November 10, at 8 PM EST and then again four hours later at midnight. There is a web site that goes along with the program and illustrates it. However, I would recommend that it should not be visited until after seeing the program since it is full of spoilers. The site is http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/alienplanet/splash.html. The program is also available on DVD, which would be more enjoyable than watching it on Discovery where the commercial breaks come a little too frequently. This is a program that should be of a fair degree of interest by just about any science fiction readers. [-mrl] =================================================================== TOPIC: KISS KISS BANG BANG (film review by Mark R. Leeper) CAPSULE: Shane Black, who wrote the three "Lethal Weapon" films, writes and directs this send-up of the film-noir thriller with Robert Downey, Jr., and Val Kilmer. The 1980s were the heyday of this sort of romantic comedy crime film, but with a little more sex this is a welcome and frequently quite funny return. The film is based in part on Brett Halliday's novel BODIES ARE WHERE YOU FIND THEM. The comedy is more satisfying than the mystery. Rating: high +1 (-4 to +4) or 6/10 Robert Downey, Jr., plays Harry Lockhart, a less-than-successful small-time crook who is about to be caught by the police and who hides from the police in a film casting audition. Before he realizes it he has been cast as a private eye. (Is this an homage to THE STUNT MAN? It would not surprise me; there are film allusions and references throughout KISS KISS BANG BANG.) The first step for the new actor is move from New York to Los Angeles and the second is to learn about the business of private eyeing from expert an expert, Gay Perry (played by Val Kilmer), whose name is Perry and who happens to be gay. The detective lessons are of some interest but uneventful until dead bodies start to turn up in bathtubs and car trunks and the two of them-- along with a friend Harmony Faith Lane (Michelle Monaghan)--are involved in murder. This setup, in fact the whole mystery in the film, could be the basis for a bland B-picture that does not really work, or it was the basis of something a little better. It is not the mystery but the comedy that makes the film work. Since KISS KISS BANG BANG is really more comedy than mystery it will float or founder depending on whether the humor works. And for much of the film this is a laugh-out-loud sort of comedy. Taking cheap shots at how weird life in Hollywood has become is nothing new and a little too easy, but the body in the bathtub scene is priceless. I will not detract from the film by giving away any of the jokes. I will, however, say that the best of the film is in interplay between Harry and Perry, two people dependent on each other but each thinking deep down he had been stuck with to an idiot. However, some viewers should be warned the film also has a dark side including a disturbing scene of torture. The characters seem to recover quickly so the audience does also. The film is also a tribute to film noir mysteries. The story is broken into chapters whose titles are borrowed from Raymond Chandler Philip Marlowe novels, just to add a little bit of class. Michael Barrett's photography of Los Angeles is sharp and colorful. The formula is old but this film is genuinely funny. I rate it high +1 on the -4 to +4 scale or 6/10. Fans of 007 will recognize the title, KISS KISS BANG BANG, as an allusion to the Italian nickname for James Bond. [-mrl] =================================================================== TOPIC: This Week's Reading (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper) In last week's column, I said that INTO AFRICA was by Martin Douglas--that should have been Martin Dugard. I saw a poster for MATH CURSE by Jon Scieszka, illustrated by Lane Smith (ISBN 0-670-86194-4) in a room at the Monmouth County Library. I decided I had to read it, if only to see if it was yet another attack on mathematics, a la Barbie's "Math class is hard." It's not; the "curse" is that the narrator suddenly sees everything as a math problem. For example, one page says that even physical education has math: In 1919, Babe Ruth hit 29 home runs, batted .322, and made $40,000. In 1991, the average major league baseball player hit 15 home runs, batted .275, and made $840,000. Then it asks whether Babe Ruth is <, >, or = the average modern baseball player. It even includes a variation of Russell's Paradox. Described on the cover flap as "For ages > 6 and < 99", it is probably aimed more at the lower end of that range, although not the very lowest. It doesn't strike me as a book a child would read over and over, so at $16.99, it seems more like a book one would check out of the library rather than purchase for a child, but it is a painless way to introduce math concepts. [I would add that while the coverage of these mathematics problems is not very deep, it introduces some fairly young children to some nice concepts of mathematics that they would not learn about in school until high school. It also suggests that all these concepts are fun. They are, but most people don't learn that EVER. So I am probably more positive on the book than Evelyn is. Kudos to Mr. Scieszka -mrl] And while I was looked for MATH CURSE, I ran across the "Time Warp Trio" books by the same duo. Most of them have the trio traveling into the past or future, but IT'S ALL GREEK TO ME by Jon Scieszka, illustrated by Lane Smith (ISBN 0-670-88596-7, eighth in the series) has them ending up in Greek mythology. (They do realize it's not history, at least.) SAM SAMURAI (ISBN 0-670-89915-1, tenth in the series) goes back to the Japanese Shogunate. All this is accomplished with "The Book", which is somewhat explained in SAM SAMURAI, but not very much in IT'S ALL GREEK TO ME. I assume it was explained in the first book (KNIGHTS OF THE KITCHEN TABLE, I think), so start with that one. While the "Auto-Translator" solves the language problems, the trio also has the good luck not to get killed by any of their faux pas. I was surprised at the amount of time spent explaining and giving examples of Japanese poetry, which means these books are not just lightweight adventures a la "Time Tunnel". A lot of time is spent on riddles and puzzles. but these are still a way to give children some knowledge of history and mythology. H. R. Keating wrote a series of Inspector Ghote mysteries, starting with THE PERFECT MURDER (ISBN 0-897-33078-1). These take place in India, although Keating is English and did not even visit India until after he had written several of the books. Therefore, it isn't surprising that some of the details seem a bit off, but in general the unusual setting gives an otherwise basic mystery some interest. In particular, Ashok K. Banker talks about the "tweaked" almost-Indian names, and I found the Indian English language not completely convincing. The duplication (e.g., "Gate hate. Locking knocking.") "is* accurate, even though at first it seems like a Yiddish invasion. (The classic work of Indian English is called "Hobson Jobson" for a reason. And thanks to Fred Lerner for telling me that the technical name for this was "reduplication".) NORTHANGER ABBEY by Jane Austen (ISBN 0-375-75917-4) is a wonderful send-up of both Gothic novels and some of Jane Austen's own works. She knows all the cliches, and nails them. For example, she begins, "No one who had ever seen Catherine Morland in her infancy would have supposed her born to be an heroine. Her situation in life, the character of her father and mother, her own person and disposition, were all equally against her. Her father was a clergyman, without being neglected, or poor, and a very respectable man, though his name was Richard--and he had never been handsome. He had a considerable independence besides two good livings--and he was not in the least addicted to locking up his daughters. Her mother was a woman of useful plain sense, with a good temper, and, what is more remarkable, with a good constitution. She had three sons before Catherine was born; and instead of dying in bringing the latter into the world, as anybody might expect, she still lived on--lived to have six children more--to see them growing up around her, and to enjoy excellent health herself." And Catherine Moreland has been reading all those novels, and she has expectations that life will be like that. When she is invited to be a guest at Northanger Abbey, here is her reaction: "She was to be their chosen visitor, she was to be for weeks under the same roof with the person whose society she mostly prized--and, in addition to all the rest, this roof was to be the roof of an abbey! Her passion for ancient edifices was next in degree to her passion for Henry Tilney--and castles and abbeys made usually the charm of those reveries which his image did not fill. To see and explore either the ramparts and keep of the one, or the cloisters of the other, had been for many weeks a darling wish, though to be more than the visitor of an hour had seemed too nearly impossible for desire. And yet, this was to happen. With all the chances against her of house, hall, place, park, court, and cottage, Northanger turned up an abbey, and she was to be its inhabitant. Its long, damp passages, its narrow cells and ruined chapel, were to be within her daily reach, and she could not entirely subdue the hope of some traditional legends, some awful memorials of an injured and ill-fated nun." And Austen is cognizant of some of the cliches and stereotypes she had written when she writes, "Where people wish to attach, they should always be ignorant. To come with a well-informed mind is to come with an inability of administering to the vanity of others, which a sensible person would always wish to avoid. A woman especially, if she have the misfortune of knowing anything, should conceal it as well as she can. The advantages of natural folly in a beautiful girl have been already set forth by the capital pen of a sister author; and to her treatment of the subject I will only add, in justice to men, that though to the larger and more trifling part of the sex, imbecility in females is a great enhancement of their personal charms, there is a portion of them too reasonable and too well informed themselves to desire anything more in woman than ignorance. But Catherine did not know her own advantages--did not know that a good-looking girl, with an affectionate heart and a very ignorant mind, cannot fail of attracting a clever young man, unless circumstances are particularly untoward." What more needs to be said? This is definitely my favorite Austen novel, and I don't know why they don't made a film of this instead of re-doing PRIDE AND PREJUDICE again. [-ecl] =================================================================== Mark Leeper mleeper@optonline.net After the last of 16 mounting screws has been removed from an access cover, it will be discovered that the wrong access cover has been removed. -- De La Lastra's Law